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Johnstone 2015

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Summary

The Question

Does compensated ground instruction count as "other commercial flying" under 14 CFR part 121 or toward the 14 CFR part 117 cumulative flight limits?

Background

A pilot wanted to charge for ground instruction given incident to flight instruction, but not for the in-aircraft portion. The FAA assumed the instruction was not a task assigned by a part 119 certificate holder or a part 91 program manager.

The FAA’s Interpretation

No. Under 14 CFR part 121, other commercial flying means nonmilitary flying as a required crewmember, other than in air transportation, for which the crewmember is paid; flight is a key component, so ground training does not count. Under 14 CFR 117.23(a), cumulative limits include all flying, and ground instruction is not flying. The FAA stressed that pilots must still operate safely, including being rested and prepared (14 CFR 91.13, 14 CFR 117.5).

Requester
Johnstone
Issued
February 3, 2015
Subjects
General Operating & Flight Rules · Air Carrier & Commercial Operations · Flight & Duty Time

Regulations Cited

  • 14 CFR 91.13
  • 14 CFR 117.5
  • 14 CFR 117.23
  • 14 CFR Part 119
  • 14 CFR Part 121

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U.S. Department
of Transportation
Federal Aviation
Administration
FEB -3 2015
Bruce I ohnstone
Office of the Chief Counsel 800 Independence Ave., S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20591
Re: Meaning of "other commercial flying" as it relates to parts 117 and 121
Dear l\1r. Johnstone:

This letter is in response to your July 21, 2014 letter and November 7 email requesting an interpretation of the meaning of"other commercial flying" as it relates to paii 121 and part 117 flight and duty rnles. Specifically you asked whether you "may ground instruct for compensation. incident to flight instruction, but may not charge for that portion .of the instruction that would take place in the aircraft without considering it as other commercial flying." This response assumes the instruction you would be providing would not be a task assigned to you by a part 119 certificate holder or a part 91 program manager. Under the part 121 rules "[o]ther commercial flying means any nonmilitai·y flying as a required crewmember, other than in air transportation, for which the crewmember is paid for his or her services.') Legal Interpretation to Richard L. Ma1iindell, from Rebecca B. MacPherson, Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations (Mar. 11, 2009). Flight instruction fOI compensation is other commercial flying. Id. A key component of the definition of other commercial flying is flight, which for purposes of counting flight time, means the time from which the aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of flight u11til the moment it comes to rest at the next point of landing. See, e.g., Legal Interpretation to Timothy Slater, from RebeccaB. MacPherson, Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations (Sept. 7, 2012). Therefore, ground training would not count as other commercial flying for part 121 flight and dut-y rules.

Part 117 also places cumulative flight limits on pilots. Those limitations "include all flying by flightcrew members on behalf of any certificate holder or 91K Program Manager during all applicable periods." 14 C.F.R. § 117.23(a). Ground instruction by a pilot in your scenario is not flying and would therefore not be included in the part 117 cumulative limits. Finally, although ground instruction would not count towards flight time limitations under either part, we emphasize that under both the part 121 and pait 117 rules a pilot is obligated to operate safely, including to be rested and prepared to perform his or her duties. See 14 C .F.R. §§ 91.13, 117.5; Legal Interpretation to David S. Parent, from Donald P. Byrne, Assistant Chief Counsel Regulations and Enforcement Division (Feb. 9, 1993).

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This response was prepared by Dean E. Griffith, an attomey in the International Law, Legislation and Regulations Division of the Office of the Chief Counsel, and was coordinated with the Air Transportation Division of Flight Standards Service. Please contact us at (202) 267-1854 if we can be of additional assistance. r Regulations, AGC-200

Regulations Referenced

14 CFR Part 11714 CFR Part 11914 CFR Part 9114 CFR Part 12114 CFR 117.2314 CFR 91.1314 CFR 117.5

Snapshot retrieved August 6, 2026.

Summary

The Question

Does compensated ground instruction count as "other commercial flying" under 14 CFR part 121 or toward the 14 CFR part 117 cumulative flight limits?

Background

A pilot wanted to charge for ground instruction given incident to flight instruction, but not for the in-aircraft portion. The FAA assumed the instruction was not a task assigned by a part 119 certificate holder or a part 91 program manager.

The FAA’s Interpretation

No. Under 14 CFR part 121, other commercial flying means nonmilitary flying as a required crewmember, other than in air transportation, for which the crewmember is paid; flight is a key component, so ground training does not count. Under 14 CFR 117.23(a), cumulative limits include all flying, and ground instruction is not flying. The FAA stressed that pilots must still operate safely, including being rested and prepared (14 CFR 91.13, 14 CFR 117.5).

Requester
Johnstone
Issued
February 3, 2015
Subjects
General Operating & Flight Rules · Air Carrier & Commercial Operations · Flight & Duty Time

Regulations Cited

  • 14 CFR 91.13
  • 14 CFR 117.5
  • 14 CFR 117.23
  • 14 CFR Part 119
  • 14 CFR Part 121